Is using app.garden.io required?
# 🌱|help-and-getting-started
p
I'm watching the video on adding garden to an existing project. One thing I'm noticing is that it immediately adds the logs and the graph to app.garden.io. This isn't necessarily a deal breaker and I won't complain if this is required, but it does make me pause. Is there not a way to run this locally?
Ah, I see that it requires this to provide an ephemeral kubernetes cluster. Interesting ...
c
Hi @plain-addition-50891, no, logging in to app.garden.io is not required to use Garden but it comes with a lot of benefits. 🙂 Garden Core is an OSS cli tool that unfortunately doesn't come with a UI of any sort, so we built app.garden.io with the goal of a) give users a better experience when developing and debugging large projects through the Commands page, where you can take a look at logs for different actions, visualize the stackgraph and immediately gauge at errors in your Garden commands, either locally or in CI; and [much more](https://docs.garden.io/using-garden/dashboard). b) help with onboarding: the example project comes preconfigured to use our ephemeral clusters, so you don't need to spend too much time setting your own test cluster and can immediately start "playing" with Garden. Of course it's possible that you are totally fine without a UI and with [configuring your own cluster](https://docs.garden.io/kubernetes-plugins/about) (either locally or remotely) and we are cool with that. 🙂 We are always open to feedback, so happy to hear more about your thoughts. 🙂
n
@chilly-gigabyte-83853 Does the new dashboard released with Cedar come with the dependency graph visualization as well? I can only see builds.
The graph viz was a the main reason we chose to go with garden. All of a sudden it seems to have disappeared though, so I'm feeling a bit bummed out. Even if it's available on the new UI, we have a lot of users who are using it very sporadically, not on a daily basis, so the new team pricing is a big no-go for us. If there was a more flexible plan we might consider it.